[Suggestion is to please reply to the general [at] jakarta list only]

This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into
one development and one notifications list. For background including
timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1]
thread.

[ ] +1
[ ] -1

While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could
briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0
if you really want.

Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 pm EST.

TIA.
-Rahul

[1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below)
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200 910.mbox/%3cce1f2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83a72 [at] mai l.gmail.com%3e

+1

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Rahul Akolkar <rahul.akolkar [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into
> one development and one notifications list. For background including
> timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1]
> thread.
>
> [X] +1
> [ ] -1

In message <ce1f2ea80910191302w30811450rdd7cbf66f9a1bb92 [at] mail.gmail.com>, Rahul
Akolkar writes:
>This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into
>one development and one notifications list. For background including
>timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1]
>thread.

[X] +1

Rahul Akolkar wrote:
> [Suggestion is to please reply to the general [at] jakarta list only]
>
> This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into
> one development and one notifications list. For background including
> timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1]
> thread.
>
> [ ] +1
> [X] -1

I'm only following JCS and I'm not interested in being flooded with
anything more. Sorry.

Bye, Thomas.

On Oct 19, 2009, at 4:02 PM, Rahul Akolkar wrote:

> [Suggestion is to please reply to the general [at] jakarta list only]
>
> This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into
> one development and one notifications list. For background including
> timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1]
> thread.
>
> [X] +1
> [ ] -1
>
> While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could
> briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0
> if you really want.
>
> Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than
> Thursday 5 pm EST.

Regexp list has no traffic, and I don't have any objections if it were
folded into general.

Vadim

On 19/10/2009, Rahul Akolkar <rahul.akolkar [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> [Suggestion is to please reply to the general [at] jakarta list only]
>
> This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into
> one development and one notifications list. For background including
> timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1]
> thread.
>
> [ ] +1
> [ ] -1

+0.

I follow BSF-dev and JMeter-dev and both are fairly quiet, so as far
as I'm concerned they could be merged into a common dev list.

However, I'm wondering if it's the right time to do this. AIUI there
is talk of moving some of the Jakarta projects to Commons - why not do
that first and see what's left?

> While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could
> briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0
> if you really want.
>
> Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 pm EST.
>
> TIA.
> -Rahul
>
> [1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below)
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200 910.mbox/%3cce1f2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83a72 [at] mai l.gmail.com%3e
>

-1

I Only subscribed to 1 project. If consolidation on dev happens then
there will be no good way to filter out emails I don't care about.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rahul Akolkar [mailto:rahul.akolkar [at] gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:02 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Cc: bcel-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org; bsf-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org;
cactus-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org; ecs-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org;
jcs-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org; jmeter-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org;
oro-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org; regexp-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org;
slide-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org; Jakarta Project Management Committee List
Subject: [VOTE] Merge dev lists

[Suggestion is to please reply to the general [at] jakarta list only]

This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into
one development and one notifications list. For background including
timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1]
thread.

[ ] +1
[ ] -1

While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could
briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0
if you really want.

Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5
pm EST.

TIA.
-Rahul

[1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below)
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200 910.mbox/%3c
ce1f2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83a72 [at] mail.gmail.com% 3e

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-1

The reasons Rahul explained are certainly valid for developers
subscribed to more than one dev list.
In my case, being subscribed to only JMeter dev list, I don't see
advantages in having all prjs in the same list; on the contrary, I'll
get more "useless" messages.

But of course this is only my opinion. Whatever decision will be taken,
I'll be part of the dev list.

Giuseppe

Rahul Akolkar wrote:
> [Suggestion is to please reply to the general [at] jakarta list only]
>
> This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into
> one development and one notifications list. For background including
> timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1]
> thread.
>
> [ ] +1
> [ ] -1
>
> While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could
> briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0
> if you really want.
>
> Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 pm EST.
>
> TIA.
> -Rahul
>
> [1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below)
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200 910.mbox/%3cce1f2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83a72 [at] mai l.gmail.com%3e
>
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-1

Too much noise to signal ratio - not everyone is interested in every Jakarta
projects. Notification list consolidation seems fine, but probably not dev.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Rahul Akolkar <rahul.akolkar [at] gmail.com>wrote:

> [Suggestion is to please reply to the general [at] jakarta list only]
>
> This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into
> one development and one notifications list. For background including
> timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1]
> thread.
>
> [ ] +1
> [ ] -1
>
> While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could
> briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0
> if you really want.
>
> Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 pm
> EST.
>
> TIA.
> -Rahul
>
> [1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below)
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200 910.mbox/%3cce1f2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83a72 [at] mai l.gmail.com%3e
>
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At 4:02 PM -0400 10/19/09, Rahul Akolkar wrote:
>[Suggestion is to please reply to the general [at] jakarta list only]
>
>This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into
>one development and one notifications list. For background including
>timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1]
>thread.
>
>[ ] +1
>[ ] -1

+1

+1 Ye

-----Original Message-----
From: Rahul Akolkar [mailto:rahul.akolkar [at] gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:02 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Cc: bcel-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org; bsf-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org;
cactus-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org; ecs-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org;
jcs-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org; jmeter-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org;
oro-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org; regexp-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org;
slide-dev [at] jakarta.apache.org; Jakarta Project Management Committee List
Subject: [VOTE] Merge dev lists


[Suggestion is to please reply to the general [at] jakarta list only]

This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into one
development and one notifications list. For background including timing,
anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1] thread.

[ ] +1
[ ] -1

While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could briefly
state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0 if you =
really
want.

Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 =
pm
EST.

TIA.
-Rahul

[1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below)
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200 910.mbox/%3cc=
e1f
2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83a72 [at] mail.gmail.com%3e

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-1

As explained before.

> Only subscribed to 1 project. If consolidation on dev happens then
> there will be no good way to filter out emails I don't care about.

Same here.

I generally want to stay out of this vote thread till it runs its
course and I do appreciate the viewpoints expressed so far. Since
there is a question posed here, I'll try to respond briefly below ...

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:00 PM, sebb <sebbaz [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> On 19/10/2009, Rahul Akolkar <rahul.akolkar [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>> [Suggestion is to please reply to the general [at] jakarta list only]
>>
>> =A0This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into
>> =A0one development and one notifications list. For background including
>> =A0timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1]
>> =A0thread.
>>
>> =A0[ ] +1
>> =A0[ ] -1
>
> +0.
>
> I follow BSF-dev and JMeter-dev and both are fairly quiet, so as far
> as I'm concerned they could be merged into a common dev list.
>
> However, I'm wondering if it's the right time to do this. AIUI there
> is talk of moving some of the Jakarta projects to Commons - why not do
> that first and see what's left?
>
<snip/>

IMO:

We will pursue that, we know what will be left. The bits that may move
out contribute hardly any dev traffic so it doesn't change the
equation here very much.

This is absolutely a good time to do this. Jakarta is now at a point
where this is feasible (i.e. enough bits have moved out that the
collective dev traffic is mild compared to some other projects). In
doing this level of flattening, it allows us to overcome one of the
biggest shortcomings of the canonical umbrella project with dev nooks
and crannies. Other motivations as mentioned elsewhere.

-Rahul

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sebb wrote:
> On 19/10/2009, Rahul Akolkar <rahul.akolkar [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> [Suggestion is to please reply to the general [at] jakarta list only]
>>
>> This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into
>> one development and one notifications list. For background including
>> timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1]
>> thread.
>>
>> [ ] +1
>> [ ] -1
>>
>
> +0.
>
> I follow BSF-dev and JMeter-dev and both are fairly quiet, so as far
> as I'm concerned they could be merged into a common dev list.
>
> However, I'm wondering if it's the right time to do this. AIUI there
> is talk of moving some of the Jakarta projects to Commons - why not do
> that first and see what's left?
>
+1


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Hi Rony,

Please see clarification request below.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:23 AM, Rony G. Flatscher
<Rony.Flatscher [at] wu-wien.ac.at> wrote:
>
> sebb wrote:
>> On 19/10/2009, Rahul Akolkar <rahul.akolkar [at] gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [Suggestion is to please reply to the general [at] jakarta list only]
>>>
>>> =A0This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into
>>> =A0one development and one notifications list. For background including
>>> =A0timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1]
>>> =A0thread.
>>>
>>> =A0[ ] +1
>>> =A0[ ] -1
>>>
>>
>> +0.
>>
>> I follow BSF-dev and JMeter-dev and both are fairly quiet, so as far
>> as I'm concerned they could be merged into a common dev list.
>>
>> However, I'm wondering if it's the right time to do this. AIUI there
>> is talk of moving some of the Jakarta projects to Commons - why not do
>> that first and see what's left?
>>
> +1
>


Please clarify whether by that +1 you mean to:
(a) agree with what sebb said above and are also voting +0,
(b) agree with what sebb said above but have not cast a vote,
(c) cast a +1 vote,
(d) something else altogether :-)

-Rahul

Given that I'm awaiting a clarification and this is a close vote, I'll
extend the voting period by atleast another day. IOW, last call to
vote :-)

Counting my own +1, we currently have the following binding votes
summary so far:

4 +1s
1 +0
2 -1s
1 awaiting clarification

I also count 2 non-binding +1s and 3 non-binding -1s.

-Rahul


On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Rahul Akolkar <rahul.akolkar [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> [Suggestion is to please reply to the general [at] jakarta list only]
>
> This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into
> one development and one notifications list. For background including
> timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1]
> thread.
>
> [ ] +1
> [ ] -1
>
> While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could
> briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0
> if you really want.
>
> Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 pm EST.
>
> TIA.
> -Rahul
>
> [1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below)
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200 910.mbox/%3cce1f2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83a72 [at] mai l.gmail.com%3e
>

Non-binding +1.

Whether or not the projects find they like being on one list or not,
it will be good. If it's not liked, then it's another reason to go
TLP.

--- as an aside, I thought I'd look at svn activity ---

Number of commits so far this year:

jmeter 481
bsf 143
cactus 97
jcs 63
bcel 15

We already know that ecs, oro and regexp are in the close to attic
situation, so no commits is no surprise. Whether they go Attic, or
whether they go to Commons for a slow maintenance can

Comparing to TLPs:

http://www.svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?from 0 90101&to 091231

JMeter is about 66% down the list, ranking alongside Struts for
developer activity. It's all Sebb.

BSF is about 80% down the list, ranking alongside Roller for developer
activity. It's Sebb and Ant.

Cactus is a bit further down, ranking as a little more active than
mod_perl, mod_tcl and logging. It's Petar with a few commits from
Sebb.

JCS is with stdcxx, just below logging. It's Aaron.

BCEL would be at the bottom of the list with Xalan. It's Dave.

Reason for that is to show that on their own, the Jakarta subprojects
are hardly abnormal. Looking at the ones I mention:

Roller is 3 committers, very much centered on 1 committer.
Struts has 2 highly active committers with a long tail of other committers.
mod_perl is 8 committers.
mod_tcl is 3 committers.
logging is 3 committers.
stdcxx is 2 committers.

So the big difference is not the activity of each subproject, but that
each one is 1 committer shy of being a TLP.

Hen

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Rahul Akolkar <rahul.akolkar [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> [Suggestion is to please reply to the general [at] jakarta list only]
>
> This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into
> one development and one notifications list. For background including
> timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1]
> thread.
>
> [ ] +1
> [ ] -1
>
> While not required, it'd be nice if anyone voting against could
> briefly state the reason(s). And you're ofcourse welcome to vote +/-0
> if you really want.
>
> Vote will run atleast 72 hours and will close no sooner than Thursday 5 pm EST.
>
> TIA.
> -Rahul
>
> [1] (long, possibly fragmented URL below)
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/jakarta-general/200 910.mbox/%3cce1f2ea80910091443t5cad1db0na0663c416cb83a72 [at] mai l.gmail.com%3e
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Henri Yandell wrote:

> Non-binding +1.
>
> Whether or not the projects find they like being on one list or not,
> it will be good. If it's not liked, then it's another reason to go
> TLP.

+1 (non-binding)

- Jörg

Hello,

I'm flatted to be in your list, but I don't see how neither why I'm into.
Could you leave my mail from the list?

Thank you very much.

Xavier Delgado.

Please start a new email thread if you need to reply (VOTE threads
have special significance and its important to keep unrelated posts
out of these threads). See below ...

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Xavier Delgado <xavier.delgado [at] free.fr> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm flatted to be in your list, but I don't see how neither why I'm into.
> Could you leave my mail from the list?
>
<snip/>

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> Thank you very much.
>
> Xavier Delgado.
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Rahul Akolkar wrote:
> This is a vote to consolidate the development lists at Jakarta into
> one development and one notifications list. For background including
> timing, anticipated benefits and some discussion, see proposal [1]
> thread.

+1
Subject to encouraging a Commons style prefixing system for emails, eg
[jmeter] or [oro].

Stephen